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A couple of questions :)

Postby GregoryWilder » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:47 am

Hi

I just installed Subsonic, and have a few key questions for my use :)

1 Will Subsonic work without internet access ?

2 are there any folder file number limits ?

3 Can subsonic handle +1.000.000 files ?
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Re: A couple of questions :)

Postby acroyear » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:17 pm

1) internally, yes. it doesn't error out if you don't have a network connection to the public, but you won't be able to register it and use apps other than the main UI screen.

2) not technically in terms of memory, but browsers don't like displaying very long lists. Greater than a few hundred and it will be slow to load. Greater than a few thousand and you may see browser 'hiccups' on some platforms that don't like lists or tables so long.

3) I found, at least with 5.1, that > 100,000 started causing memory and performance issues. There's a lot of internal hash caching, in memory and on disk, and the larger the number of files/folders, the more likely that the code to handle that will slow down, dramatically. (6 may have helped here, but I split my music onto two servers, separate machines, and never went back).
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Re: A couple of questions :)

Postby GregoryWilder » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:45 pm

Thank you for for clarifying :)

Well. I have to to uninstall Subsonic :/

I also discovered that it doesn't support DLNA search. is that correct ?
And it has an MAX folder/file limit set to 5000 folders...

I need an DLNA server that works without internet access, and is able to handle a large number of files.
and... seems like it doesn't exists... :/
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Re: A couple of questions :)

Postby acroyear » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:15 am

DNLA is actually a very poor protocol. It itself doesn't really scale very well.

The DNLA mode in Subsonic DOES work, but it is slow because it effectively is sending a lot of stuff to the DNLA client all at once (all the playlists, all the artists, and the root folders' indexes). Once all that is downloaded and interpreted by the client (I've seen this work in VLC and the DNLA client on old WD TV boxes), things do work after that relatively well.

But again, that was for my mere 50,000 files (at the time).

I seriously think your needs are unrealistic for any client system that isn't built for that kind of scale up front (and very few are...i doubt there are
many developers with that many files they can even test with).

good luck.

and no, I don't recommend Plex for this task. Its scanning mode takes forever even just loading subsets of my overall files.
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Re: A couple of questions :)

Postby acroyear » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:27 am

part of the problem with scale is you're just looking for a relatively generic file serving/streaming system. Plex and Subsonic do a lot of indexing for you, providing "artist->album->song" and "genre" details even when your files aren't stored on the file system that way. This takes a lot of time scanning and a lot of memory and disk space for the indexing.

Maybe look at MiniDLNA?
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Re: A couple of questions :)

Postby PurelyNicole » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:35 pm

acroyear wrote:it effectively is sending a lot of stuff to the DNLA client all at once (all the playlists, all the artists, and the root folders' indexes)


Sorry to reopen an old thread, but does this mean that Subsonic will allow me to use playlists over DLNA? I just started using Plex because I was hoping to be able to send playlists over DLNA with it, and was super bummed when I found I could not.
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Re: A couple of questions :)

Postby acroyear » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:26 am

Playlists in DNLA work.

What you get when you open up DNLA is a root folder with an entry for each top-level Music Folder you have, and it follows the music directories under it (no ID3 support, just the raw folder-file structure). Then in parallel with all those root music folders is the "Playlists" entry, which you can use to get to each playlist and the songs within them.

On VLC, I can double-click a playlist name and it'll start playing it. (now, the way VLC handles DNLA means when it finishes a playlist, it goes on to the next one :) but that's the only DNLA player I've worked with lately since I killed my WDTV boxes in favor of Amazon Fire Sticks and my own app).
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Re: A couple of questions :)

Postby PurelyNicole » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:50 pm

Thanks for the details Joe! Time to spin up an instance of Subsonic.
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